Mom: WOW!! What do I respond to first!!??
Nicole: well for goodness sakes – who does he think we are???? do you damn job – you had the kids – you rase them right – stop blaming everyone else for your failures
Mom: games in libraries…why not books in the movie theater?? or movies in the bathroom?
Mom: there is a place for everything
Mom: It’s not one stop living….
Nicole: maybe you should reply – and who says that libraries are just for books? they have DVDs and CDs and photograph collections…
Mom: All for learning!!! I hope
Nicole: games can be for learning
Mom: Libraries are for learning
Nicole: and no the dvds are of HOUSE
Nicole: that’s how i watched house
Mom: you checked the dvd out…you didn’t sit there and watch it in the theater room
Mom: libraries are for resources
Mom: and games are for fun!!
Nicole: reading can be fun
Mom: NOW that is what the”grown ups” (ha) need to teach their children
Mom: Tuperware can be fun too!
Nicole: but why not allow them to have games in the library – what about those less fortunate?
Nicole: or what about all of the stuff you can learn from games?
Mom: What makes not having “things” make you less fortunate?
Mom: Games that teach should be played WITH parents…
Nicole: now you’re getting a philosophical with me – i mean what about the kids who can’t afford games – at the library they can play them with their parents or other kids
Mom: Then let them rent the game and GO home to play with their parents
Mom: The library is sacred
Mom: It should be for QUIET learning
Nicole: renting costs money – do you mean borrow from the library?
Nicole: you know this whole conversation is going on my blog right? Cause I totally don’t agree with you I think that as long as the library gives me a place for quiet learning/reading then I don’t care what’s going on in other sections
Nicole: as a working mother wouldn’t you like to go to the library and do a little quiet reading while your kid was able to sit in the kids section and play a game or read a book of their own?
Nicole: i’ve also heard of libraries giving classes for adults and how parents are so grateful that their kids can come to the library with them and be safe and learn while they learn
Mom: The problem with your firat statement is then why call it a library?
Nicole: who says that the definition of library is a place for quiet learning?
Nicole: you do?
Mom: why call it a grocery store? why a church?
Mom: because they are the labels that dictate a purpose
Nicole: and why can’t those change?
Mom: that should maintain their status as such
Nicole: you have Starbucks in the grocery store
Nicole: and day care in churches
Mom: then again, I ask..why not a one stop world
Nicole: why not?
Nicole: you do your shopping online
Nicole: maybe i think online is only for communication – not shopping
Mom: let’s combine everything in to
Mom: one place and all go there
Nicole: like an international network? or internet???
Mom: that’s the ticket
Mom: instead of forcing us to get a tv service to watch entertainment the way the “experts” say we should
Mom: why not makeevery household internet connected for all our needs
Nicole: it’s getting there
Mom: then we wouldn’t have anywhere that was special to go to
Mom: and the children will suffer
Nicole: but i don’t understand why adding more services to a library makes it less special
Nicole: doesn’t it make it more special?
Nicole: libraries are teaching technology courses – I teach those courses
Nicole: should I not have a job?
Mom: it no longer is “specialized”
Mom: YOU ARE NOT PLAYING GAMES!!
Nicole: Other librarians are!! They’re in libraries teaching people about games!!! There is a keynote address at one of my conferences (for the last few years) just about that
Nicole: I teach people fun things too – not just how to research
Mom: for children?
Mom: or adults
Nicole: I teach them about facebook and flickr and blogging
Nicole: my classes are for adults
Nicole: and for librarians
Nicole: the conference is for librarians
Nicole: but it’s telling them how games can be good for kids!! they’re not all shoot ‘em up games
Nicole: you bought us a game that taught us to play piano and to write stories
Nicole: … why can’t those be in libraries?
Mom: and having the right games for parents to decide which to take home from the library to interact with their children is good
Nicole: but some families can’t afford a computer or game system to play the games on
Mom: to have games to play so parents don’t have to bother is wrong
Mom: that’s why I said make it a requirement
Nicole: i totally agree with that!!!
Nicole: That’s what I’m saying – that parents need to bother!
Nicole: but I don’t think having games in the library will stop the caring parents from caring
Mom: these same parents will pay for the “digital service”
Mom: No but it will allow the non caring parents one more way not to parent!
Mom: then the libraries will be blamed (like the schools)for the inadequecies of their children
Nicole: let’s think back – we weren’t allowed to buy books as kids – it was expensive and why buy books when you have a library (and your kids read 10 books a week) – you cared – but you found another way to give us an important experience – without having to pay
Nicole: why should parents have to pay?
Mom: I figured out a way…. Let the parents today figure it out
Mom: make a free gaming center for them if you want
Mom: but NOT in a library
Nicole: this is fun
Nicole: you’re not going to convince me, but it’s interesting to hear another point of view
Mom: not for me. Because I feel so strongly about “dead beat” parents
Mom: I got it!!
Mom: If the libraries want to have games for kids to “learn” then they must be played with adults until the child can appreciate them…just like books
Nicole: okay – i agree – an adult should be present – and i’m pretty sure that one always is
Nicole: just got a message from a friend:
Friend: i was just ‘gaming’ for the first time in a awhile
Friend: the other day
Friend: and realizing how many skills are actually to learn from gaming
Friend: especially in today’s society!
Friend: in a way, kids with moderate amount of gaming probably come away well equipped to multitask
Friend: and strategize, etc
Friend: there is an argument to be made that direction too
Friend: not that i’m a big gamer either, but I totally don’t agree with that kind of narrow ‘print’ mindedness
Nicole: but aren’t you doing the opposite of what this author did – you’re assuming that libraries are at fault for encouraging “dead beat” parents – like he’s blaming them for not educating kids
Nicole: and by opposite i mean the same thing…
Mom: let me re-read the article
Mom: I re-read it and I think I do agree with him
Mom: He begins the article by saying that libraries are trying to woo teens
Mom: Woo this!!
Mom: if teens are so self absorbed that they need continually wooing to make them appreciate the special places in our world, then the parents should be fined!
Mom: having educational resources to learn available in a learning environment is great,but to put games in , just to get teen quota’s up is dumb.
Mom: let’s find one more way to “entertain” our future leaders so they do not become bored…
Nicole: okay – i see i’m not going to win this argument
Nicole: i still don’t think that libraries having games is a bad thing – or that it’s making kids dumb
Mom: and i kinda agree that allowing teens to “hang out” at libraries to just “hang out” will make them “more” dumb. READ children READ!!!
Mom: Librarians are certainly not responsible for illiterates … parents are
Nicole: okay – at least we agree on one thing