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	<title>Comments on: The Virtues and Limits of Cataloging</title>
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	<description>Web 2.0 and programming tips from a library technology enthusiast, What I Learned Today... covers blogs, rss, wikis and more as they relate to libraries.</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 16:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm so pleased this example is spreading.

LibraryThing is going to release a new "tagmash" feature soon, creating pagesâ€”not searchesâ€”combining tags. 

So, "Greek" and "history." This can be better than the lesser pile of things tagged "greek history," and really comes into its own with something like "france + wwii + memoirs" or "japan + love - fiction." I haven't "opened" it yet, however, because I wanted to add two things (1) weighting of factors, and (2) adding subjects and pieces of subjects tooâ€”"france + wwii + subject:congresses" or "subject:Nervous system--Wounds and injuries + tag:mountaineering." The system naturally computes "relatedness" to "single" subjects, tags and to other tagmashes.

The goal is to create something between the fluidity of the tag and the fixity of the subjectâ€”a fixed criterion for a fluid listâ€”a fluid LCSH, a dynamic playlist, Listmania will legs!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so pleased this example is spreading.</p>
<p>LibraryThing is going to release a new &#8220;tagmash&#8221; feature soon, creating pagesâ€”not searchesâ€”combining tags. </p>
<p>So, &#8220;Greek&#8221; and &#8220;history.&#8221; This can be better than the lesser pile of things tagged &#8220;greek history,&#8221; and really comes into its own with something like &#8220;france + wwii + memoirs&#8221; or &#8220;japan + love - fiction.&#8221; I haven&#8217;t &#8220;opened&#8221; it yet, however, because I wanted to add two things (1) weighting of factors, and (2) adding subjects and pieces of subjects tooâ€”&#8221;france + wwii + subject:congresses&#8221; or &#8220;subject:Nervous system&#8211;Wounds and injuries + tag:mountaineering.&#8221; The system naturally computes &#8220;relatedness&#8221; to &#8220;single&#8221; subjects, tags and to other tagmashes.</p>
<p>The goal is to create something between the fluidity of the tag and the fixity of the subjectâ€”a fixed criterion for a fluid listâ€”a fluid LCSH, a dynamic playlist, Listmania will legs!</p>
<p>Still thinking it through&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Christine Schwartz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine Schwartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 18:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I think I would enjoy  being one of those "librarian editors that go through and clean up tags", I find the third option you presented most attractive--librarians and users working in tandem. I think library catalogs would have a much richer vocabulary if, along with subject headings, we allowed users to add tags to bibliographic records.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I think I would enjoy  being one of those &#8220;librarian editors that go through and clean up tags&#8221;, I find the third option you presented most attractive&#8211;librarians and users working in tandem. I think library catalogs would have a much richer vocabulary if, along with subject headings, we allowed users to add tags to bibliographic records.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
		<link>http://www.web2learning.net/archives/1017#comment-40763</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 17:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do the same thing (with del.icio.us)!!  You are right - we can't catalog the internet the way we can our collections.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do the same thing (with del.icio.us)!!  You are right - we can&#8217;t catalog the internet the way we can our collections.</p>
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		<title>By: Eli Jacobowitz</title>
		<link>http://www.web2learning.net/archives/1017#comment-40759</link>
		<dc:creator>Eli Jacobowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 16:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, thanks for the comments!

I hope that the rhetorical point about ILS degrees doesn't overshadow the conclusion that cataloging the internet is a mismatch in scale -- it will never be as organized as a library.

So we make compromises.  One compromised attempt at a controlled tag vocabulary is &lt;a href="http://del.icio.us" rel="nofollow"&gt;Del.icio.us&lt;/a&gt;'s suggested tags feature.  I have found myself changing my tag vocabulary to better match their suggestions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, thanks for the comments!</p>
<p>I hope that the rhetorical point about ILS degrees doesn&#8217;t overshadow the conclusion that cataloging the internet is a mismatch in scale &#8212; it will never be as organized as a library.</p>
<p>So we make compromises.  One compromised attempt at a controlled tag vocabulary is <a href="http://del.icio.us" rel="nofollow">Del.icio.us</a>&#8217;s suggested tags feature.  I have found myself changing my tag vocabulary to better match their suggestions.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
		<link>http://www.web2learning.net/archives/1017#comment-40753</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 15:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree - but some librarians I have heard speak don't like the fact that tags are so free form - and so the suggestions I listed above were some that I had heard at conferences and meetings over the last few years about how to find a nice balance between the strict rules of cataloging and the "no rule" form of tagging.

That said, I'm in your ballpark - I like tagging things whatever I want - but in the end that doesn't always help others find information in my collections.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree - but some librarians I have heard speak don&#8217;t like the fact that tags are so free form - and so the suggestions I listed above were some that I had heard at conferences and meetings over the last few years about how to find a nice balance between the strict rules of cataloging and the &#8220;no rule&#8221; form of tagging.</p>
<p>That said, I&#8217;m in your ballpark - I like tagging things whatever I want - but in the end that doesn&#8217;t always help others find information in my collections.</p>
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		<title>By: David Bigwood</title>
		<link>http://www.web2learning.net/archives/1017#comment-40751</link>
		<dc:creator>David Bigwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 14:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tags are not subject headings. Neither should be seen as a replacement for the other. Tags help people refind things. They are personal, they should not be cleaned up, nor even suggested. What comes 1st to a person's mind is most likely what they will use to refind the item.

Computers can do interesting things with large groups of tags. Clustering, for example. That gives an interesting view of a information space. The ability to pivot from a tag to a tagger to their other tags is also a useful navigation tool. There is no training required to tag things in your own personal information sphere.

One benefit of thesauri is that there is an hierarchical structure. Did something find too much, just get more specific. A search find too little use a brader term. They are all there to easily choose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tags are not subject headings. Neither should be seen as a replacement for the other. Tags help people refind things. They are personal, they should not be cleaned up, nor even suggested. What comes 1st to a person&#8217;s mind is most likely what they will use to refind the item.</p>
<p>Computers can do interesting things with large groups of tags. Clustering, for example. That gives an interesting view of a information space. The ability to pivot from a tag to a tagger to their other tags is also a useful navigation tool. There is no training required to tag things in your own personal information sphere.</p>
<p>One benefit of thesauri is that there is an hierarchical structure. Did something find too much, just get more specific. A search find too little use a brader term. They are all there to easily choose.</p>
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