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	<description>Web 2.0 and programming tips from a library technology enthusiast, What I Learned Today... covers blogs, rss, wikis and more as they relate to libraries.</description>
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		<title>By: What I Learned Today&#8230; &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Territorial Thinking</title>
		<link>http://www.web2learning.net/archives/1212/comment-page-1#comment-63617</link>
		<dc:creator>What I Learned Today&#8230; &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Territorial Thinking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] said - does this come back to what I was saying about a well-rounded core curriculum in library school? I know that learning what other departments [...]</description>
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		<title>By: What I Learned Today&#8230; &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Learning by doing</title>
		<link>http://www.web2learning.net/archives/1212/comment-page-1#comment-60535</link>
		<dc:creator>What I Learned Today&#8230; &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Learning by doing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 23:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] post starts by pointing to the results of my library school survey. I want to mention to those reading my post and Dorothea&#8217;s that I sent the link to my survey [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Cataloging = Training Wheels???? &#171; Life as I Know It</title>
		<link>http://www.web2learning.net/archives/1212/comment-page-1#comment-60215</link>
		<dc:creator>Cataloging = Training Wheels???? &#171; Life as I Know It</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 22:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a rant about the value of cataloging. Salo read through the responses to Nicole Engard&#8217;s surveyÂ about LIS requirements and was seemingly astonished by the number of people who wrote that they [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a rant about the value of cataloging. Salo read through the responses to Nicole Engard&#8217;s surveyÂ about LIS requirements and was seemingly astonished by the number of people who wrote that they [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Talking Books Librarian</title>
		<link>http://www.web2learning.net/archives/1212/comment-page-1#comment-59895</link>
		<dc:creator>Talking Books Librarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 18:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the things that was never mentioned in Library School was the free Talking Books program by the Library of Congress.  I think this should be REQUIRED learning for all library schools, as every librarian needs to know about it and promote it!  Did any of you learn about it in library school?  You can see more info about Talking Books and other related topics at http://talkingbookslibrarian.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the things that was never mentioned in Library School was the free Talking Books program by the Library of Congress.  I think this should be REQUIRED learning for all library schools, as every librarian needs to know about it and promote it!  Did any of you learn about it in library school?  You can see more info about Talking Books and other related topics at <a href="http://talkingbookslibrarian.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://talkingbookslibrarian.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
		<link>http://www.web2learning.net/archives/1212/comment-page-1#comment-59828</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 01:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kristen,

This is a good point!  Thanks for clarifying.  Just to let you know - there were several people from different schools who made comments about reference/research.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kristen,</p>
<p>This is a good point!  Thanks for clarifying.  Just to let you know &#8211; there were several people from different schools who made comments about reference/research.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirsten</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirsten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a note on the reference vs. research distinction:

Currently at my school (U of Oklahoma), a research class -- focused on how research is conducted in the social sciences, how to do a lit review and figure out your methodology, etc. -- is required. 

However, whether or not a reference class is required depends on your definition. &quot;Information Users In the Knowledge Society&quot; (the theories behind reference) is required, but &quot;Information Sources and Services&quot; (how to do a reference interview and where to find information) is not.

While there were only six respondents from OU, I wonder how this sort of confusion of terminology might have affected other answers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a note on the reference vs. research distinction:</p>
<p>Currently at my school (U of Oklahoma), a research class &#8212; focused on how research is conducted in the social sciences, how to do a lit review and figure out your methodology, etc. &#8212; is required. </p>
<p>However, whether or not a reference class is required depends on your definition. &#8220;Information Users In the Knowledge Society&#8221; (the theories behind reference) is required, but &#8220;Information Sources and Services&#8221; (how to do a reference interview and where to find information) is not.</p>
<p>While there were only six respondents from OU, I wonder how this sort of confusion of terminology might have affected other answers.</p>
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		<title>By: LIS Requirments &#171; Life as I Know It</title>
		<link>http://www.web2learning.net/archives/1212/comment-page-1#comment-59802</link>
		<dc:creator>LIS Requirments &#171; Life as I Know It</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] MLS students and graduates about the classes that they were required to take. Today, she posted the results. They are very interesting. I wasn&#8217;t surprised by the number of current students who took the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] MLS students and graduates about the classes that they were required to take. Today, she posted the results. They are very interesting. I wasn&#8217;t surprised by the number of current students who took the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree - you don&#039;t need previous experience to be a great librarian - but I do feel that if we were provided with real world experience we&#039;d learn much more than they could ever teach us in library school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree &#8211; you don&#8217;t need previous experience to be a great librarian &#8211; but I do feel that if we were provided with real world experience we&#8217;d learn much more than they could ever teach us in library school.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://www.web2learning.net/archives/1212/comment-page-1#comment-59784</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi. I was actually in a few classes at Drexel with Nicole, although I never got to know her.  I graduated from Drexel this past June and was employed in a public library by July.  I did not have any previous library experience, and I was hired as a generalist.  Due to my technology background, along with the technology instruction at Drexel, I have been moved more into the technical areas.  I feel that Drexel prepared me very well for real world experience (minus learning dialog and NOT extensively learning Dewey).  I have also participated in two Grants, implementing one and helping to draft a proposal for a second.  Drexel prepared me for this task as well.

In my opinion, you do not need previous library experience to be a great Librarian right out of grad school.  Yes, you have your &quot;getting to know the job&quot; period as you do with any other new job; however, if you listen and apply yourself, you will find that you can fit in nicely.  I have received two performance reviews thus far, and both have been excellent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi. I was actually in a few classes at Drexel with Nicole, although I never got to know her.  I graduated from Drexel this past June and was employed in a public library by July.  I did not have any previous library experience, and I was hired as a generalist.  Due to my technology background, along with the technology instruction at Drexel, I have been moved more into the technical areas.  I feel that Drexel prepared me very well for real world experience (minus learning dialog and NOT extensively learning Dewey).  I have also participated in two Grants, implementing one and helping to draft a proposal for a second.  Drexel prepared me for this task as well.</p>
<p>In my opinion, you do not need previous library experience to be a great Librarian right out of grad school.  Yes, you have your &#8220;getting to know the job&#8221; period as you do with any other new job; however, if you listen and apply yourself, you will find that you can fit in nicely.  I have received two performance reviews thus far, and both have been excellent.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
		<link>http://www.web2learning.net/archives/1212/comment-page-1#comment-59769</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean,

I took 3 courses a term for 4 terms.  That was 3 fewer classes than were required due to the fact that I got credit for 5+ years of library related work.  That means there are 15 classes needed to graduate from Drexel.  All I&#039;m suggesting is 6 of those be required.  That leaves you with 9 electives to narrow in on your field of interest.

Also, on the theory of ending up with generalists - I don&#039;t agree.  I think you end up with well rounded individuals who respect their colleagues.  Right now you have catalogers thinking that reference librarians don&#039;t work and reference librarians thinking that any idiot can catalog (yes I&#039;ve heard people say these things).  If you provide students with a grounding in all areas of the library you educate them on what their colleagues are doing and you help them choose which area of the library is best suited to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean,</p>
<p>I took 3 courses a term for 4 terms.  That was 3 fewer classes than were required due to the fact that I got credit for 5+ years of library related work.  That means there are 15 classes needed to graduate from Drexel.  All I&#8217;m suggesting is 6 of those be required.  That leaves you with 9 electives to narrow in on your field of interest.</p>
<p>Also, on the theory of ending up with generalists &#8211; I don&#8217;t agree.  I think you end up with well rounded individuals who respect their colleagues.  Right now you have catalogers thinking that reference librarians don&#8217;t work and reference librarians thinking that any idiot can catalog (yes I&#8217;ve heard people say these things).  If you provide students with a grounding in all areas of the library you educate them on what their colleagues are doing and you help them choose which area of the library is best suited to them.</p>
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		<title>By: &#964;&#949;&#967;&#957;&#959;&#963;&#959;&#966;&#953;&#945; &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Library degrees a mixed bag?</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#964;&#949;&#967;&#957;&#959;&#963;&#959;&#966;&#953;&#945; &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Library degrees a mixed bag?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Engard has posted the results of her library school survey. She writes, Why arenâ€™t we all required to learn a bit of the basics from each area of the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
		<link>http://www.web2learning.net/archives/1212/comment-page-1#comment-59764</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just graduated with my MLIS and am now a new professional working in a public library, even though my focus was academic libraries in school (which is where my first library experience came from). The core classes have been applicable to both work environments and are more helpful than some think...though it is true that practical experience is just as important....so library students, get as much library experience as you can to see where your core classes can be applied.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just graduated with my MLIS and am now a new professional working in a public library, even though my focus was academic libraries in school (which is where my first library experience came from). The core classes have been applicable to both work environments and are more helpful than some think&#8230;though it is true that practical experience is just as important&#8230;.so library students, get as much library experience as you can to see where your core classes can be applied.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristen</title>
		<link>http://www.web2learning.net/archives/1212/comment-page-1#comment-59762</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sitting at home hacking up my lungs, so I have time to go through all the detail. This survey was a great idea and it was nice of you to go through the effort. It brings up interesting questions for future research.

One thing that really jumped out at me was this comment from someone who graduated in the 70s, in the &#039;did library school prepare you for the real world&#039; category:

&quot;Yes, but at that time our program was based on practical application, the university lost their accreditation because they were not teaching enough theory. Theory is nice, but give me people with some practical skills vs. meeting new librarians who cannot explain the relationship of AACR2 to a MARC record.&quot;

That theory vs practice thing will probably never go away. 

The fear seems to be that if there is too much practice, then it becomes a vocational program rather than a high-minded academic program, and then you really don&#039;t need a masters degree, and then everyone loses what very little respect they already have and the salaries fall even lower than they already are.  But higher-paying professions like accounting and law and medicine require much more practice vs theory than we do, so that doesn&#039;t really seem like a valid argument.

And I think you&#039;ve keyed on a major issue with the incredible range of required coursework out there and how it sort of invalidates the idea of a single, accreditable degree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sitting at home hacking up my lungs, so I have time to go through all the detail. This survey was a great idea and it was nice of you to go through the effort. It brings up interesting questions for future research.</p>
<p>One thing that really jumped out at me was this comment from someone who graduated in the 70s, in the &#8216;did library school prepare you for the real world&#8217; category:</p>
<p>&#8220;Yes, but at that time our program was based on practical application, the university lost their accreditation because they were not teaching enough theory. Theory is nice, but give me people with some practical skills vs. meeting new librarians who cannot explain the relationship of AACR2 to a MARC record.&#8221;</p>
<p>That theory vs practice thing will probably never go away. </p>
<p>The fear seems to be that if there is too much practice, then it becomes a vocational program rather than a high-minded academic program, and then you really don&#8217;t need a masters degree, and then everyone loses what very little respect they already have and the salaries fall even lower than they already are.  But higher-paying professions like accounting and law and medicine require much more practice vs theory than we do, so that doesn&#8217;t really seem like a valid argument.</p>
<p>And I think you&#8217;ve keyed on a major issue with the incredible range of required coursework out there and how it sort of invalidates the idea of a single, accreditable degree.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with requiring so many &#039;core&#039; classes is that there just isn&#039;t enough time.  Even in my two-year program, the required classes sucked up almost entirely the first year, and the second year was concerned with landing co-ops and internships.

Having so many requirements also churns out thousands of generalists.  Generalists are the last thing this profession needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with requiring so many &#8216;core&#8217; classes is that there just isn&#8217;t enough time.  Even in my two-year program, the required classes sucked up almost entirely the first year, and the second year was concerned with landing co-ops and internships.</p>
<p>Having so many requirements also churns out thousands of generalists.  Generalists are the last thing this profession needs.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a brand new MLS student (I actually start classes next week), I found this survey very interesting. Thanks for sharing! It has motivated me to really work on getting some practical experience while I&#039;m in school since it seems that most people feel that classes alone did not prepare them for a library career.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a brand new MLS student (I actually start classes next week), I found this survey very interesting. Thanks for sharing! It has motivated me to really work on getting some practical experience while I&#8217;m in school since it seems that most people feel that classes alone did not prepare them for a library career.</p>
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